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Fwd: Grumbein's Island meeting
by Frank Gmeindl 01 Feb '11

01 Feb '11

Bicycle Board Members, Any ideas for improving Grumbein's Island for cycists? Frank Begin forwarded message: > From: Morgantown Pedestrian Safety Board <walkmgw(a)yahoo.com> > Date: January 28, 2011 2:15:48 PM EST > To: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net>, Christiaan Abildso <cgabildso(a)mail.wvu.edu>, Bob Anderson <randerson(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Jon Bond <jbond3(a)mix.wvu.edu>, Ilana Chertok <ichertok(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Stan Cohen <Stanley.Cohen(a)mail.wvu.edu>, Chuck Coole <ccoole(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Jan Derry <jderry(a)nwvcil.org>, Dave Harshbarger <harshbargerd(a)wvuh.com>, Dwight Harshbarger <dwight.harshbarger(a)gmail.com>, George Lilley <mgranlil(a)verizon.net>, Regina Mayolo <reginam(a)verizon.net>, Jon Miltenberger <kokiri4ever(a)msn.com>, Jennifer Noori <thenoorinater(a)gmail.com>, Bill Reger-Nash <wreger(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Jonathan Rosenbaum <freesource(a)cheat.org>, Jimmie Simmons <Jsimmons2642(a)yahoo.com>, David Small <dsmall1(a)mix.wvu.edu>, Maria Smith <mariasmith(a)busride.org>, Don Spencer <dspencer36(a)comcast.net>, Martha Summers <msummers(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Angela Wiley <wileya120(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Grumbein's Island meeting > > Fellow pedestrian advocates. I have been invited to attend a meeting with many constituencies to discuss the future of Grumbein's Island (pedestrian area in front of Mountainlair) next Friday at 10:00 AM. The invitees include: > Terry Hough - City > Don Spencer - City > Roy Nutter - City > Christaan Abildso - City > Bryan Radabaugh - State > Alanna Slack - State > Perry Keller - State > Bill Austin - Mgtn/Mon MPO > Rick Colebank - Alpha Assoc > Chuck Branch - Alpha Assoc > Charlie Luttrell - Alpha Assoc > Rob Moyer - WVU > Nelson France - WVU Student > Bob Merow - WVU > Hugh Kierig - WVU > > Please submit any suggestions prior to that meeting. Frank, I could especially use some bicycle design ideas for that area (I've also requested that you be invited). > Best, > Christiaan > > Walk more, safely > > > Morgantown Pedestrian Safety Board > > Christiaan Abildso, Chair > > Bill Reger-Nash, Vice Chair > > http://www.morgantown.com/ped-safety-board.htm > > >

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Agenda for this Thursday's meeting
by Frank Gmeindl 31 Jan '11

31 Jan '11

Bicycle Board Members, Please find attached, a suggested agenda for this Thursday's regular monthly Bicycle Board meeting. If you have any questions, comments or suggested changes to the agenda, please contact me. Frank D. Gmeindl Chairman, Morgantown Municipal Bicycle Board LCI #1703 491 WilsonAvenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles

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Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Grumbein's Island meeting
by Chip Wamsley 28 Jan '11

28 Jan '11

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Ryan Post" <rpostwvu(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:17:52 -0500 I heard that they considered lowering the road, virtually turning it into a tunnel by putting a deck on top to create a pedestrian mall where the road is now, but there were too many utilities and possibly the steam tunnels to deal with. Instead they built the bridge from the B&E building over to Oglebay, which still doesn't alleviate the ped traffic at Grumbeins. Before the last revamp of the area in the late 80's there was talk of closing Univ Ave in front of the Mountainlair from the intersection of College Ave to the intersection of Prospect Street. Through traffic would probably adjust, although there were fears of more congestion on Beechurst and Main Street Morgaqntown was concerned it would cut off traffic to the downtown, affecting its viability. Chip >I REALLY like the thinking outside the box on this. I was very quickly sold >on it, then realized it may also trap people in the middle. > > > >I think a stairway there wouldn't be used by pedestrians, because it'd a >long way around vs just crossing the road. Unless the road were lowered, >which has its own issues. > > > >From: bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On >Behalf Of John Lozier >Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:29 PM >To: Frank Gmeindl >Cc: Bicycle Board; Christiaan Abildso >Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Grumbein's Island meeting > > > >Not just for cyclists but for pedestrians and motorists: > > > >Install a moving gate on the island, that slowly travels back and forth. >Gate would be about the length of a car, would break pedestrian traffic into >segments segments or "slugs" that would alternate with a car or two. > > > >Best. > > > >On Jan 28, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Frank Gmeindl wrote: > > > > > >Bicycle Board Members, > > > >Any ideas for improving Grumbein's Island for cycists? > > > >Frank > > > >Begin forwarded message: > > > > > >From: Morgantown Pedestrian Safety Board <walkmgw(a)yahoo.com> > >Date: January 28, 2011 2:15:48 PM EST > >To: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net>, Christiaan Abildso ><cgabildso(a)mail.wvu.edu>, Bob Anderson <randerson(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Jon Bond ><jbond3(a)mix.wvu.edu>, Ilana Chertok <ichertok(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Stan Cohen ><Stanley.Cohen(a)mail.wvu.edu>, Chuck Coole <ccoole(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Jan Derry ><jderry(a)nwvcil.org>, Dave Harshbarger <harshbargerd(a)wvuh.com>, Dwight >Harshbarger <dwight.harshbarger(a)gmail.com>, George Lilley ><mgranlil(a)verizon.net>, Regina Mayolo <reginam(a)verizon.net>, Jon >Miltenberger <kokiri4ever(a)msn.com>, Jennifer Noori ><thenoorinater(a)gmail.com>, Bill Reger-Nash <wreger(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Jonathan >Rosenbaum <freesource(a)cheat.org>, Jimmie Simmons <Jsimmons2642(a)yahoo.com>, >David Small <dsmall1(a)mix.wvu.edu>, Maria Smith <mariasmith(a)busride.org>, Don >Spencer <dspencer36(a)comcast.net>, Martha Summers <msummers(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, >Angela Wiley <wileya120(a)gmail.com> > >Subject: Grumbein's Island meeting > > > > > >Fellow pedestrian advocates. I have been invited to attend a meeting with >many constituencies to discuss the future of Grumbein's Island (pedestrian >area in front of Mountainlair) next Friday at 10:00 AM. The invitees >include: > >Terry Hough - City > >Don Spencer - City > >Roy Nutter - City > >Christaan Abildso - City > >Bryan Radabaugh - State > >Alanna Slack - State > >Perry Keller - State > >Bill Austin - Mgtn/Mon MPO > >Rick Colebank - Alpha Assoc > >Chuck Branch - Alpha Assoc > >Charlie Luttrell - Alpha Assoc > >Rob Moyer - WVU > >Nelson France - WVU Student > >Bob Merow - WVU > >Hugh Kierig - WVU > > > >Please submit any suggestions prior to that meeting. Frank, I could >especially use some bicycle design ideas for that area (I've also requested >that you be invited). > >Best, > >Christiaan > > >Walk more, safely > > > >Morgantown Pedestrian Safety Board > >Christiaan Abildso, Chair > >Bill Reger-Nash, Vice Chair > > <http://www.morgantown.com/ped-safety-board.htm> >http://www.morgantown.com/ped-safety-board.htm > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Bikeboard mailing list > >Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > > >John Lozier > >Morgantown, WV > >www.harpingforharmony.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Grumbein's Island meeting
by Chip Wamsley 28 Jan '11

28 Jan '11

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Frank Gmeindl <fgmeindl(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:57 -0500 Frank et al, Gunnar is right, with pedestrians crossing anywhere, at anytime, fearlessly, not paying attention along several hundred feet the opportunity for cyclists to get knocked off their bikes is huge. I've known lots of folks who have been knocked off their bikes by pedestrians stepping off the curb. Either make it a pedestrian mall, put traffic underneath in a tunnel or both--not cheap. Chip >Bicycle Board Members, > >Any ideas for improving Grumbein's Island for cycists? > >Frank > >Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Morgantown Pedestrian Safety Board <walkmgw(a)yahoo.com> >> Date: January 28, 2011 2:15:48 PM EST >> To: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net>, Christiaan Abildso <cgabildso(a)mail.wvu.edu>, Bob Anderson <randerson(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Jon Bond <jbond3(a)mix.wvu.edu>, Ilana Chertok <ichertok(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Stan Cohen <Stanley.Cohen(a)mail.wvu.edu>, Chuck Coole <ccoole(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Jan Derry <jderry(a)nwvcil.org>, Dave Harshbarger <harshbargerd(a)wvuh.com>, Dwight Harshbarger <dwight.harshbarger(a)gmail.com>, George Lilley <mgranlil(a)verizon.net>, Regina Mayolo <reginam(a)verizon.net>, Jon Miltenberger <kokiri4ever(a)msn.com>, Jennifer Noori <thenoorinater(a)gmail.com>, Bill Reger-Nash <wreger(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Jonathan Rosenbaum <freesource(a)cheat.org>, Jimmie Simmons <Jsimmons2642(a)yahoo.com>, David Small <dsmall1(a)mix.wvu.edu>, Maria Smith <mariasmith(a)busride.org>, Don Spencer <dspencer36(a)comcast.net>, Martha Summers <msummers(a)hsc.wvu.edu>, Angela Wiley <wileya120(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: Grumbein's Island meeting >> >> Fellow pedestrian advocates. I have been invited to attend a meeting with many constituencies to discuss the future of Grumbein's Island (pedestrian area in front of Mountainlair) next Friday at 10:00 AM. The invitees include: >> Terry Hough - City >> Don Spencer - City >> Roy Nutter - City >> Christaan Abildso - City >> Bryan Radabaugh - State >> Alanna Slack - State >> Perry Keller - State >> Bill Austin - Mgtn/Mon MPO >> Rick Colebank - Alpha Assoc >> Chuck Branch - Alpha Assoc >> Charlie Luttrell - Alpha Assoc >> Rob Moyer - WVU >> Nelson France - WVU Student >> Bob Merow - WVU >> Hugh Kierig - WVU >> >> Please submit any suggestions prior to that meeting. Frank, I could especially use some bicycle design ideas for that area (I've also requested that you be invited). >> Best, >> Christiaan >> >> Walk more, safely >> >> >> Morgantown Pedestrian Safety Board >> >> Christiaan Abildso, Chair >> >> Bill Reger-Nash, Vice Chair >> >> http://www.morgantown.com/ped-safety-board.htm >> >> >> > > > > >

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BikeMorgantown program evaluation opportunity for EDP 617
by Jim Rye 25 Jan '11

25 Jan '11

Reagan, below is a brief description of a program evaluation opportunity and contact info etc for EDP 617. Organization: Morgantown Municipal Bicycle Board Related Grant: Morgantown Effective Bicycling Education Program (Sponsored by the Federal Highway Administration's Transportation Enhancement Program, administered by the West Virginia Department of Transportation, Division of Highways). Primary Contact: Jim Rye (304 293 4416 jim.rye(a)mail.wvu.edu) Evaluation Need: Effectiveness (impact) of BikeMorgantown web site (http://bikemorgantown.com/) on changing bicyclist and motorist behavior. For example: To what degree has the web site influenced motorists to treat bicyclists as drivers of vehicles? To what degree has the web site influenced bicyclists to drive their bicycles as vehicles? James A. Rye West Virginia University Educational Theory and Practice PO Box 6122 604 Allen Hall Morgantown, WV 26506-6122 jim.rye(a)mail.wvu.edu Phone: (304) 293-4416 Fax: (304) 293-3802

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Fwd: Re: Free Evaluation Services
by Jim Rye 23 Jan '11

23 Jan '11

Folks, I have not hear from anyone re: the service described below as a potential for evaluating our web site. Perhaps at this point it is not a priority. If anyone wants me to go forward and submit a request for such evaluation, please let me know by Tuesday. Otherwise, I am inclined to pass up the opportunity this year. Thank you James A. Rye, Professor West Virginia University Department of Curriculum & Instruction/Literacy Studies PO Box 6122 604 Allen Hall Morgantown, WV 26506-6122 jim.rye(a)mail.wvu.edu Phone: (304) 293-4416 Fax: (304) 293-3802 Web: http://depts.hre.wvu.edu/c&ils/currinst/rye.html "The first wealth is health." -Ralph Waldo Emerson >>> Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> 1/3/2011 2:17 PM >>> Jim, I wonder if pointing at BikeMorgantown.com and challenging the EDP617 candidate to evaluate the effectiveness of BikeMorgantown.com at influencing cyclists to drive their bicycles as vehicles and influencing motorists to treat bicyclist as drivers of vehicles would get us anywhere? Frank On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Jim Rye wrote: Frank, again, this opportunity has presented itself. If there is anything that you think we should submit for MEBEP, I can do that. PS: I am working at home today so will not be able to forward to you the 700 mpg info until tomorrow. Jim Rye Professor Dept C&I/LS West Virginia University PO Box 6122 604H Allen Hall Morgantown, WV 26506-6122 Phone: (304) 293-4416 Fax: (304) 293-3802 http://depts.hre.wvu.edu/c&ils/currinst/rye.html "The first wealth is health." -Ralph Waldo Emerson From: Reagan Curtis <Reagan.Curtis(a)MAIL.WVU.EDU> Date: January 3, 2011 1:39:30 PM EST To: HRE-FACULTY(a)listserv.wvu.edu Subject: Free Evaluation Services Reply-To: Reagan Curtis <Reagan.Curtis(a)MAIL.WVU.EDU> Hello Colleagues, I am teaching EDP617: Program Evaluation as an online course this semester and requiring that students design and conduct evaluations of actual programs (with my supervision). If you have any program evaluation work you think a student or small group of students could help you with, please let me know ( reagan.curtis(a)mail.wvu.edu ) and I will make my class aware of the potential opportunity. Also, feel free to forward this to others you think might like to take advantage of this opportunity. Please be aware that students will be choosing among several options based on their individual preferences so I cannot guarantee that your program will be selected for evaluation. I can, however, assure you that if your program is selected I will be working closely with students and requiring that they work closely with you to consider your evaluation needs. I am including the syllabus for the course to give you an idea of the time lines and assignments involved. Thanks! Reagan Curtis, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Educational Psychology, Program Evaluation, and Research Methods West Virginia University Department of Technology, Learning, & Culture Allen Hall 507D Phone: (304)293-2098 Fax: (304)293-9424 http://tlc.wvu.edu/academics/edpsych/edp_faculty/dr_reagan_curtis <Syllabus.PDF>

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FWD: San Francisco Bicycle Environmental Quality Index
by director 21 Jan '11

21 Jan '11

Good morning, I was cleaning out my inbox and came across this survey I was asked to fill out a few months ago and thought it might be of interest as we've talked about creating surveys here. I like the technique they use of asking importance and then weighting it with a relevance. Please feel free to contribute to the survey if you feel qualified to do so, it appears to be open still. Looking forward to seeing who's out riding in the snow today. Nick ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jennifer McLaughlin <Jennifer.McLaughlin(a)sfdph.org> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:14:16 -0700 October 7, 2010 Dear Mr. Hein, The San Francisco Department of Public Health is developing a quantitative index to measure the quality of the bicycle environment to serve as a tool for public health, transportation, and land use planning. We are requesting that you participate in a brief survey to help us develop weights for each component variable in the index. Our Bicycle Environmental Quality Index (BEQI) is intended to translate environmental variables into a set of provisions for a healthy bicycle environment and can inform neighborhood planning and prioritize improvements through land use plans, transportation plans, and environmental assessments. From a public health perspective, improving the quality of the bicycle environment can support physical activity through active transportation, increase social cohesion, and reduce air pollution, noise and injuries associated with driving. Thus far, we have identified indicators that are empirically known to affect bicycle environmental quality and have subdivided the indicators into five domains: Intersection Features, Vehicle Traffic, Street Design, and Land Use. The indicators were chosen to correspond with an urban bicycle environment, some features typically used for all street types and others primarily for arterial streets. We are asking you to help us develop indicator values and indicator weights by doing the following: 1. Rate the importance of each proposed indicator for bicycle environmental quality and safety in our index on a scale from 1 to 5 (not important to essential). 2. For each indicator, rate the relative contribution to bicycle environmental quality and safety of the proposed indicator values on a scale of -5 to +5 (significantly reduces bicycle environmental quality and safety to significantly benefits bicycle environmental quality and safety). For ease of completion, we have created an online survey with additional instructions available. BEQI Survey - https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HW93GJJ We are requesting that participants respond by October 21, 2010. You can also read more about the BEQI development and methodology at http://www.sfphes.org/HIA_Tools_BEQI.htm We sincerely appreciate your willingness to help us in this endeavor. Please do not hesitate to contact Jen McLaughlin directly at 415-252-3879 should you have any. Thank you again for your time. Jen McLaughlin Jen McLaughlin, MS Environmental Health Planner San Francisco Dept. of Public Health, Environmental Health 1390 Market St., Suite 822 San Francisco, CA 94102 jennifer.mclaughlin(a)sfdph.org (415) 252-3879 -- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --

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Re: [Bikeboard] Survey
by Frank Gmeindl 21 Jan '11

21 Jan '11

Boulder has a nice bike parking survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=HEGcw8m8r6CKeyP7qdy58w_3d_3d You can step through it without having to answer anything. I think it contains the questions we want to ask. It is very important that before you issue a survey, you know how you're going to analyze the data and use the results to make decisions. Otherwise, you'll be saying, "I wish we would have..." Frank On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:41 AM, chip wamsley wrote: > We should include in the survey the time frame people would like to use the lockers--on demand for short term occasional use vs long term lease for the daily commuter. > > Chip > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Chip Wamsley <chip(a)wamsleycycles.com> wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:11:10 -0500 > > Frank er al, > > Here is a site that has some info on locker rates, even though it's from 2000. It looks like they are in the $75-85/year, not counting key deposit. Some other good info on city bike parking ordinances as well. > > http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm > > Chip > > >Parking Committee Members, > > > >As we discussed at this morning's meeting, we are going to do a survey to determine who would use bike lockers, how much they would be willing to pay and where we should put them. If you have additional ideas on what we should try to learn with the survey or how we should construct the survey, please reply-all with them. > > > >Thanks to all of you that turned out in these challenging conditions! > > > >Frank > >_______________________________________________ > >Bikeboard mailing list > >Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > >

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Re: [Bikeboard] Survey
by Frank Gmeindl 21 Jan '11

21 Jan '11

On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:41 AM, chip wamsley wrote: > We should include in the survey the time frame people would like to use the lockers--on demand for short term occasional use vs long term lease for the daily commuter. > > Chip > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Chip Wamsley <chip(a)wamsleycycles.com> wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:11:10 -0500 > > Frank er al, > > Here is a site that has some info on locker rates, even though it's from 2000. It looks like they are in the $75-85/year, not counting key deposit. Some other good info on city bike parking ordinances as well. > > http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm > > Chip > > >Parking Committee Members, > > > >As we discussed at this morning's meeting, we are going to do a survey to determine who would use bike lockers, how much they would be willing to pay and where we should put them. If you have additional ideas on what we should try to learn with the survey or how we should construct the survey, please reply-all with them. > > > >Thanks to all of you that turned out in these challenging conditions! > > > >Frank > >_______________________________________________ > >Bikeboard mailing list > >Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > >

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Re: [Bikeboard] Survey
by Jonathan Rosenbaum 21 Jan '11

21 Jan '11

There's one bad problem with the google survey approach, you can submit the form an unlimited times. Good surveys employ a variety of techniques to prevent this from happening. -Jonathan On 1/21/2011 11:34 AM, Chip Wamsley wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Gunnar Shogren<gshogren(a)gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:25:23 -0500 > > The google docs survey looks good. I've participated in lots of survey monkey surveys and found that they often get broken links? not allowing you to progress forward to complete the survey and there was no link on each page to signal back to survey monkey that they had a problem. I wonder how many surveys went unanswered because of this type of problem? > > Chip > >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Chet Parsons<chetparsons(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Haven't used it, but it appears that you can create a survey using Google >>> Docs and it automatically populates a spreadsheet with the results. >>> http://www.workhappy.net/2009/05/using-google-docs-to-make-a-survey.html >> Dang yo. >> That is pretty damn slick. >> No bad comments on that person's page, and the fact that you can embed >> it, goes right into a spreadsheet, blah, blah, blah... is this a >> winner? >> If not a winner then certainly something that we could try ourselves >> w/o bunging things up in public. >> >> Let's get some questions generated and try it out! >> >> I gotta shovel some now though... >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Gunnar Shogren<gshogren(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Per my action item at today's Parking and Budget Comm. meeting- >>>> >>>> Here's info on Survey Monkey, cost and details- >>>> Per month >>>> http://www.surveymonkey.com/pricing/details?t=c2&select=monthly >>>> Per year >>>> http://www.surveymonkey.com/pricing/details?t=c2annual&select=annual >>>> >>>> Big thing w/ the Basic (free) service is that it only allows 10 >>>> questions per survey and 100 responses. >>>> >>>> They do offer a 25% discount for non-profit agencies and such. >>>> >>>> Found a little comparison of three different survey companies, but >>>> unfortunately I can only view it through the cached results of google- >>>> >>>> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TdLUhKgL09sJ:www.theba… >>>> Here's where it's supposed to be though- >>>> http://www.thebalcomgroup.com/node/139 >>>> >>>> Looks like Survey Gizmo might be one to look at as they allow >>>> unlimited questions at the basic level and more responses as well. >>>> http://www.surveygizmo.com/ >>>> >>>> Basic might be enough w/ them. >>>> >>>> I don't know enough about surveys in general to make any other decisions. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Don Spencer<dspencer36(a)comcast.net> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Chip – Great article on the bike parking! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am sorry that I had to leave the meeting before the decisions were >>>>> reached, but I did get to make a motion that we consider groups of 4 >>>>> lockers >>>>> for a corner in each of the city garages. I mentioned the Pubic Safety >>>>> Garage and would also now like to include the University Ave garage as >>>>> well >>>>> as a priority and then the Wharf garage as a second priority. The reason >>>>> for >>>>> my thinking is that I think that we have to give priority to the goal of >>>>> increasing commuter cycling rather than to adding convenience for >>>>> recreational cycling. Both are important, but for us, I believe the >>>>> commuter >>>>> cycling has to be our prime focus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The article that you sent talks about the use of lockers for day long >>>>> and >>>>> overnight parking, and this it what I think we should also aim for in >>>>> the >>>>> use of the lockers so that people working at businesses, teaching or >>>>> assisting in classes, working at libraries or offices will have a place >>>>> they >>>>> can ride to. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am not comfortable with the plan for a survey because I question who >>>>> is >>>>> going to learn about the survey. It might be just a limited group of >>>>> computer users who would find out about the survey and actually follow >>>>> up on >>>>> the information. I am also very fearful that the committee could be >>>>> accused >>>>> of spot locating lockers because of individual responses. As a public >>>>> entity, we cannot be “special ordering” lockers for individuals. Our >>>>> planning needs to be systematic – based on systems thinking which >>>>> locates >>>>> lockers based on principles – such as proximity to destinations, >>>>> security, >>>>> weather sheltering, critical mass, population density, etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From the discussion, I suggest that we ask for $15,000 for bicycle >>>>> parking >>>>> lockers to enable the installation of 4 lockers at each of the 3 main >>>>> garages. If the costs of the lockers and freight exceed the $15K amount, >>>>> then I suggest that we ask Tom Arnold to assume responsibility for the >>>>> remaining costs from anticipated revenues. I also recommend that we >>>>> inform >>>>> WVU (through Hugh) of what we are doing and hope that WVU might do the >>>>> same >>>>> thing in their two main garages. (Perhaps they will want to do more at >>>>> the >>>>> Engineering and the Law School areas as well). Perhaps the lockers at >>>>> all >>>>> sites could use a common blue color so that there could be more ready >>>>> identification of the locker infrastructure by cyclists and the public. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, there are just my reactions to the discussion and the article. I >>>>> look forward to our next meeting and any additional data that you come >>>>> up >>>>> with. Has a date been set for the next Parking Meeting? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> By the way, my input on suggested costs, after looking at the article, >>>>> would >>>>> be 10 per month, 55 for six months and 100 per year. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Don >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> From: Chip Wamsley [mailto:chip@wamsleycycles.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:36 AM >>>>> To: Don Spencer; chip wamsley; Hugh.Kierig(a)mail.wvu.edu; Gunnar Shogren; >>>>> Jonathan Rosenbaum; Alice Vernon; Frank Gmeindl >>>>> Cc: Bicycle Board >>>>> Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Survey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>>> From: Frank Gmeindl<frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> >>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:11:10 -0500 >>>>> >>>>> Frank er al, >>>>> >>>>> Here is a site that has some info on locker rates, even though it's from >>>>> 2000. It looks like they are in the $75-85/year, not counting key >>>>> deposit. >>>>> Some other good info on city bike parking ordinances as well. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm >>>>> >>>>> Chip >>>>> >>>>>> Parking Committee Members, >>>>>> >>>>>> As we discussed at this morning's meeting, we are going to do a survey >>>>>> to >>>>>> determine who would use bike lockers, how much they would be willing to >>>>>> pay >>>>>> and where we should put them. If you have additional ideas on what we >>>>>> should try to learn with the survey or how we should construct the >>>>>> survey, >>>>>> please reply-all with them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks to all of you that turned out in these challenging conditions! >>>>>> >>>>>> Frank >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Bikeboard mailing list >>>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >>>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >>>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3378 - Release Date: 01/13/11 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Bikeboard mailing list >>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikeboard mailing list >> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >> > > _______________________________________________ > Bikeboard mailing list > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard

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Re: [Bikeboard] Survey
by Chip Wamsley 21 Jan '11

21 Jan '11

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:11:10 -0500 Frank er al, Here is a site that has some info on locker rates, even though it's from 2000. It looks like they are in the $75-85/year, not counting key deposit. Some other good info on city bike parking ordinances as well. http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm Chip >Parking Committee Members, > >As we discussed at this morning's meeting, we are going to do a survey to determine who would use bike lockers, how much they would be willing to pay and where we should put them. If you have additional ideas on what we should try to learn with the survey or how we should construct the survey, please reply-all with them. > >Thanks to all of you that turned out in these challenging conditions! > >Frank >_______________________________________________ >Bikeboard mailing list >Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >

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Bike Lane grant application
by Frank Gmeindl 20 Jan '11

20 Jan '11

Bicycle Board Members, Attached is a rudimentary application for a grant to support the Mon Blvd. bicycle climbing lane. I could use some help determining how many cyclists currently ride that shoulder, estimating the impact of the bike lane and then how to measure it. See sections 2d and 3. If you have any ideas, I'd appreciate your sharing them with me. No hurry. The deadline for this isn't until April but hey, it's raining outside now but I plan to be riding then. Thanks! Frank

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West Run Road
by Frank Gmeindl 20 Jan '11

20 Jan '11

Bill, Thanks for your phone call this morning setting a tentative February 1 date to meet with WVDOH and cruise the West Run corridor. Since I sent you my last message on this subject, I've received more input. I've revised the message below accordingly and would prefer you forward it, rather than my last message to WVDOH in preparation for our meeting. If we understand correctly, the proposed improvement involves upgrading West Run Road travel lanes to 11-feet and adding up to 2-foot wide paved shoulders. Also, the shoulders may be wider on climbing sections and inside curves and narrower on descending sections and on the outside of curves. The proposed 11-foot lane width plus 2-foot paved shoulder provides no special accommodation for bicyclists but accommodates bicyclists only as ordinary drivers of vehicles. At a minimum, West Run Road should have Share the Road signs (W11-1 sign and W16-1P placard) to alert motorists to bicyclists. Better would be shared lane markings (9C-9) and Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs (R4-11). To accommodate novice bicyclists, the travel lanes should be 14-feet wide or the shoulders should be a minimum of 4-feet wide, preferably 5-feet. Otherwise, West Run Rd. can be expected to be limited to motor vehicles and only experienced vehicular cyclists. It is crucial that West Run improvements not force bicyclists to ride to the right of right turn lanes. The improvements should encourage bicyclists to employ best vehicular practices, especially at intersections. Bicycles should be treated as vehicles, not pedestrians. In most cases, 11-feet is not wide enough for a shared lane, i.e a lane in which a motor vehicle and bicycle can travel safely side-by-side. A 2-foot shoulder is simply not wide enough for bicycle operation. Normally, bicyclists require more than 3-feet of roadway space for operation. Normally, 3-feet or more is minimum safe passing distance. Normally, 8-feet is minimum travel width for motor vehicles. Sum = 14-feet. On 11-foot lanes with 2-foot paved shoulders, novice cyclists would probably try to ride on the shoulder, assuming that the shoulder would be maintained free of debris including glass, rocks, snow and ice and be free of surface defects. After a few experiences of getting passed too closely, novice cyclists would probably abandon West Run Road. Experienced cyclists will not use shoulders because shoulders usually have debris that can cause punctures and loss of control. Also, on the shoulder, cyclists are less visible than they are in the lane and especially at crossings, motorists merging onto the roadway may pull out in front of them, overtaking motorists may turn right into them or in front of them and on-coming motorists may turn left into them. Experienced cyclists, if they feel they are visible, will control the lane and prevent being passed. However, when they feel that overtaking vehicles are narrow enough, passing speeds are slow enough and they can see far enough ahead to ensure no on-coming traffic, they might move to the right and allow passing. AASHTO says 11-feet is not wide enough to share. The 1999 AASHTO Guide for the Development of Bicycle Facilities is somewhat ambivalent about shared lanes but indicates that 12-feet is a minimum. The 2009 DRAFT AASHTO Guide for the Planning, Design, and Operation of Bicycle Facilities is more definitive. It states: "Lane widths of 13 feet (4.0 m) or less require most motor vehicles to be driven at least part way into the next lane to pass a bicyclist with an adequate and comfortable clearance (usually 3 ft [0.9 m] or more depending on the speed of the passing vehicle). Lane widths of 14 feet (4.3 m) or greater enable motorists to pass bicycles without encroaching into the adjacent lane." The draft guide recognizes that a wider lane may be required on steep grades and says, "Roadways with shared lanes narrower than 14 feet (4.3 m) may still be designated for bicycles with bicycle guide signs and/or shared lane markings..." AASHTO says a 2-foot shoulder is not wide enough for safe bicycle operation. The 1999 AASHTO guide states that bicycles require a minimum of 40 inches (1.0 m) of lateral operating space. It says that paved shoulders should be at least 4-feet wide to accommodate bicycles. It suggests that 5-feet is preferred and wider may be required adjacent to high speed and high volume motor traffic. It does recognize that any shoulder is better than none at all. The West Run shoulder would have to be 4-feet or more to be useful. Most motorists will not run over a bicyclist if they can see the bicyclist and have sufficient time to react. The first priority for the DOH then, should be to ensure that bicyclists are visible in the West Run corridor. Signage will help alert motorists to bicyclist presence. DOH must ensure that sight lines are long enough and speeds are low enough to allow all motorists to see bicyclists or slow-moving vehicles or stopped vehicles, to have sufficient time to decide what to do and to take the correct action. Most motorists will pass the bicyclist if and when they can. Almost no motorists obey the law that prohibits crossing the center line in such cases. Many motorists will cross the center line even when there is on-coming traffic or when they cannot see far enough ahead to ensure that there is no on-coming traffic such as when approaching a blind curve or blind hill crest. If the lane is too narrow to share, cyclists riding in the lane rather than far to the right discourage motorists from trying to squeeze past when there isn't room. If the cyclist determines that moving to the right would provide sufficient space for the overtaking vehicle to pass him or her safely, the cyclist should move to the right. If the bicyclist judges that he or she cannot be passed safely, he or she must control the lane. How much space is sufficient depends on many factors. Some factors include lane width; whether the cyclist thinks the driver of an overtaking vehicle can see him or her; how fast the cyclist is going; how fast the overtaking vehicle is going; whether the cyclist is climbing, descending or riding on level road; how far ahead the cyclist can see; whether any traffic is coming; whether there's a paved shoulder; shoulder width; shoulder condition and what's adjacent to the roadway. If the cyclist determines that moving to the right will not provide sufficient space for the motorist to pass safely, the cyclist should take a position in the lane that prevents the motorist from passing. Finally, as you know, the West Run Planning District recently enacted a zoning ordinance. Article 2600. Roads and Rights-of-Way of the ordinance says that collectors that serve 40 or more residential dwelling units or lots must have 12-foot lanes, 2-foot shoulders and 50-feet right of way. Beyond improving West Run Rd., the Bicycle Board recommends that the MPO and WVDOH reconsider the West Run alternatives described in the current 2030 Transportation Plan. These include a separate bike path through the West Run valley, an extension of the Poultry Farm Road to West Run Rd. and other alternatives connecting to West Run. I look forward to the opportunity to cruise West Run with you and WVDOH staff so we can visualize and discuss these ideas on site. Frank D. Gmeindl Chairman, Morgantown Municipal Bicycle Board LCI #1703 491 WilsonAvenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles

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Inspiration from London
by director 20 Jan '11

20 Jan '11

Saw this today on Treehugger. I guess I can see an advantage to dedicated bike lanes if they get you past gridlocked traffic. Nick http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/01/success-for-london-bicycle-superhig… -- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --

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Meeting w/Terrence Moore
by Frank Gmeindl 19 Jan '11

19 Jan '11

Bicycle Board Members, Yesterday, gunnar and I met with Terrence Moore, Jeff Mikorski, Terry Hough and Damien Davis. Terrence assigned Damien to be liaison between the City Manager's office and the Bicycle Board. Terrence also expressed a strong desire, almost a mandate, I'd say, to win the LAB Bronze level Bicycle Friendly Community award. I passed out the attached summary of the draft comprehensive bicycle plan and explained that achieving the award involves participation from other city departments in addition to Engineering, namely the other E's: Education, Enforcement, Encouragement, Evaluation and Equity. I said that we need to get enforcement involved next. He said that he will require the new Chief of Police to support bicycling and walking. What would you think of inviting Damien to be an ex-officio member of the Bicycle Board? Frank

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Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run
by Jonathan Rosenbaum 19 Jan '11

19 Jan '11

I have been riding West Run for years now for a variety of reasons, even before it was over-developed. There is a posted speed limit of 25 miles an hour, but that is never enforced. In general, most speeding occurs when people are using the road as a short-cut during rush hour. However, the state should explore installing an automated camera to snap photos of license plates of speeders, probably could help offset the cost of making improvements. One of the most dangerous parts of the road between Van Voorhis and Stewartstown road is the intersection with Riddle. If you are going straight down West Run with your bicycle you definitely don't want to stay close to the curb, or you risk getting hooked by people waiting on Riddle to turn onto West Run. The visuals at the intersection are bad, and drivers misjudge bicyclists speed. I've enjoyed bicycling on this road. The worst thing I even witnessed was when a large truck had just passed me, and a motorcyclist had just stopped about 50 feet ahead to take a left turn into a new apartment complex, he didn't have a blinker and was using hand signals. Fortunately the truck driver braked fast; the motocyclist probably never realized that he had almost became road kill. It definitely needs sidewalks. I would rather see sidewalks built then have a special berm installed for cyclists. -Jonathan On 1/17/2011 12:21 PM, Don Spencer wrote: > > Frank -- From my perspective you and Chet are on target. A road > widening along West Run Road might suffice. It would seem that 11 feet > might suffice. I fear, however, that wide lanes without markings would > produce high rates of speed in places like West Run. If there could be > 13 foot motor vehicle lanes, then it might be safer to have bike lanes > (with intersection signage) to accommodate even lesser trained bicycle > riders. > > If the bicycle access can continue from West Run Road to the River, > part of the problems for bicycles on Van Voorhis can be avoided. To > travel from West Run Road, cyclists (and pedestrians) could have a > relatively flat trail access to and from the downtown and downtown > campuses and Star City streets via the rail trail. > > Don > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Frank Gmeindl [mailto:frank.gmeindl@comcast.net] > *Sent:* Monday, January 17, 2011 11:50 AM > *To:* Chet Parsons > *Cc:* Don Spencer; Bicycle Board > *Subject:* Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > > Thanks, Chet. I had already been there before I replied to Don. > Don's message seems to indicate that there's more detail than one > finds in the 2030 Transportation Plan to which you refer. Perhaps he > just meant that there are more options than we're considering. > > In the 2030 plan, a table of non-motorized projects, Table 30 begins > on page 111. One project there #8 is, "Include bike-ped facilities in > West Run road corridor". The descriptive text below the table says, > "This project will ensure that bicycles and pedestrians are > accommodated in the West Run Road transportation corridor and an > additional connection to the Mon River Trail is provided. As part of > the recommended roadway projects a bike trail is proposed along one > side of the road." Aside from the bike trail along one side of the > road, it doesn't say what those "facilities" might be. A map, Figure > 25 on page 98 shows West Run but adds no useful info. > > Three other projects that Don might be thinking of are #2, #3 and #4. > Project #2 is relevant because it connects the eastern terminus of > West Run Rd. near I-68 with the Decker Creek Trail through the Dug > Hill Rd. corridor. I raised that in the dialog below. The other > projects, as well as the remainder of #2 may be outside the scope of > the West Run project. The remainder of #2 goes out to Cheat Lake > along 857, #3 goes out Old Cheat Rd. and #4 connects Tyrone Rd. to the > Decker Creek Trail through Brookhaven Rd. and Dug Hill Rd. They all > involve adding a "bike lane/paved shoulder". Don are these what you > meant? > > Chet, thanks for prompting me to revisit the 2030 transportation plan. > I had forgot much of it. While looking for the pages you indicated, > I re-read the motorized plan for West Run. Page 109 contains a nice > arial view of the plan to widen West Run, add a 3rd lane from Riddle > to Van Voorhis and a description turn lanes to be added at Van Voohis, > Riddle, Stewartstown and 119. It will be interesting to compare what > DOH now has in mind with that which is currently in the 2030 plan. > > Also, I see that item 22 on page 101 is a 3-lane corridor from the > Research Park to West Run. That's a pretty big bike path:) > > I highly recommend that anyone who worked on the BB Bike Route map > study the map, Figure 25 on page 98 of section 9 of the 2030 plan, > http://www.plantogether.org/plan.html . It verifies what we did but > might give us some other ideas. > > Frank > > On Jan 17, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Chet Parsons wrote: > > > > I can jump in here - thanks for the idea Don. > > I think Don is referring to the nonmotorized segment of the 2030 Plan. > If you go to that location on the MPO website you can look at Chapter > Nine, the Recommended Plan (http://www.plantogether.org/plan.html). > If you go to Page 112 you'll see the nonmotorized Plan. Most of the > items referenced are footnoted with a number in a circle - these are > highway projects that have a nonmotorized component. You can look > back at Table 29 on page 101 for a listing of all the highway projects > and their associated costs. Note item 22 there. > > Table 30 shows the nonmotorized projects - of note are item 8 for West > Run Road (note this plan was done before all the stuff got developed > on West Run between Stewartstown and 119. > > Chet > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Frank Gmeindl > <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net <mailto:frank.gmeindl@comcast.net>> wrote: > > Don, > > What is the MPO bicycle route plan? Can you point me to it? I did a > cursory search of the MPO website and didn't find it. I did find a > "screening addendum" (attached) that contains a map showing a couple > options around Dug Hill Rd. Is that it? > > Frank > > On Jan 16, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Don Spencer wrote: > > > > Frank -- On the West Run related issues, I urge you to take a look at > the MPO bicycle route plan. There is quite a few recommendations in > that plan for establishing a "ring route" from the rail trail in > Sabraton to Easton Hill and then down West Run to the River. The > information does not address the width issues per se, but I think that > referencing the Plan in our discussions with the MPO and DOH is to our > advantage. > > Don > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org > <mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org> > [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org > <mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org>] *On Behalf Of *Gunnar Shogren > *Sent:* Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:47 PM > *To:* Frank Gmeindl > *Cc:* Bicycle Board > *Subject:* Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Frank Gmeindl > <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net <mailto:frank.gmeindl@comcast.net>> wrote: > > I think we have two concepts. One, is to modify West Run Road to > make it more bike friendly and Two is a segregated path. > > > > Modify West Run Rd. > > For many years before the District, I rode West Run Rd. several > times/week around 5 pm., always from east to west. See map at > http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3 It was fine except that occasionally, I'd > be head-on with some junior doctor zipping along in his BMW or S-2000 > and we'd both be eyeing the fence posts, mailboxes and culverts for > room to squeeze by. Improving sight-lines is imperative; widening > would be nice; shared lane markings and Bicycles May Use Full Lane > signs, or at least share the road signs would help. Moving, leveling > and realigning the intersection with 119 is also imperative. > > > > I used to ride the old bike route over White Avenue to Dug Hill Rd, > Pierpont Rd., across 857, down Old Cheat Rd. to Easton then along 119 > to West Run as shown on the map at http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3. Except > for the little stretches of 857 and 119, there wasn't much traffic but > it's quite hilly and would probably discourage novices. However, once > West Run is improved, it would be a suitable extension of the bike > route with appropriate mapping to indicate the hills and to warn of > the high traffic zones on 857 and 119. > > > > Segregated Path > > The best segregated path option would be as I think Chet is > suggesting, basically between West Run Rd. and West Run creek. Heck, > let's propose to go all the way to the Mon River trail in the long run. > > > > Coming from the District out to Easton, you can cross Easton Hill Rd. > and continue out West Run Rd. where it dead-ends at I-68. Crossing > the intersection by Easton School will be a challenge. Before I-68, > West Run Rd. used to continue up the hill to Pierpont Rd. (Who hasn't > ridden through the West Run culverts under I-68? Perhaps you missed > the BB initiation ceremony;) > > > > Don Spencer has told me that there has been some discussion of > running a trail along the west side of I-68 over to Sabraton. We > should explore this. Then, we could connect with the Decker Creek > trail and have a bicycle beltway around the City:) My concern remains > that if we put all our energy into projects like this, it will > eventually become impossible to ride your bike from the trail to any > practical destination because we were diverted from reclaiming the > streets that were ours to being with. > > > > At Easton, going up Easton Hill and across the Mileground should be > an option that could be handled by a bicycle climbing lane. If they > can crane a shopping center and housing development on the side of > that hill and add a full-width travel lane and roundabouts to the > Mileground, they can add 8 feet to Easton Hill for a bicycle climbing > lane! I still occasionally ride up Easton Hill. It's not pleasant > and if you don't take the lane, you'll get squeezed into the guard > rail. It is nearly impossible to walk up or down there though because > there is absolutely no shoulder. > > Untrue! > We've seen our buddy NickH going up it a few times. Did not seem like > it would be a pleasant experience *at* *all*. But maybe Nick can > chime in here. > > > The hundreds of people living in that valley now would be stranded > and starve to death when the gasoline runs out. > > And this would be a bad thing? > > > > > Frank > > > > On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote: > > > >> Wider road and signage. > >> I've biked on it off and on throughout the years, problem is that it > >> just doesn't lead anywhere easily, there's a big hill off it as soon > >> as you go toward town, or even go away from town. > >> Sure not many folks use it now, but perhaps they would if even to go > >> from Apt complex to complex, to play XBox or Magic: The Gathering. > >> Widen that puppy and put some signs up. Nice wide shoulder just to > >> ease the minds of less experienced cyclists as well. > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com > <mailto:chetparsons@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> I think Bill Austin already has this stuff in his head, but here's > my two > >>> cents. > >>> The section from Van Voorhis to Stewartstown can be used in > combination of > >>> on-street markings and using the floodplain owned by WVU (basically > from the > >>> dairy farm to Pineview). Once you get to Stewartstown, Ryan is right. > >>> You'll need to cut down behind Copper Beech and up between it and > the stuff > >>> up on the backside of the Mileground. Follow that route until you > get to > >>> Easton School, which will be closed soon anyway. Then tie in to > whatever > >>> new development is getting ready to go in along 857 out to I-68. > If you > >>> haven't noticed, the DOH has been clearing and widening 857 for about 4 > >>> months now and my bet is that there will be a new development with an > >>> additional access point by summer. > >>> Another option, but will probably be a more expensive easement, is > to create > >>> a couple switchbacks up the farm on the opposite side of the hill > as West > >>> Run Apartments and then run a path through the apartment complex > and out to > >>> 119/857. > >>> Chet > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ryan Post <rpostwvu(a)gmail.com > <mailto:rpostwvu@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> West Run, from Stewartstown to 119 (where all the houses are), is > twisty, > >>>> narrow and hilly. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Given those conditions, it can never be bike friendly. Road needs > widened > >>>> and/or straightened significantly. Or create a separate bike/walk > path. I > >>>> doubt many would walk however, since there's very little within ½ > mile. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> It's a no-man's land of bad planning and shouldn't have been Zoned > on w/o > >>>> correcting the road first, IMO. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org > <mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org> > [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On > >>>> Behalf Of Frank Gmeindl > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:36 AM > >>>> To: Bicycle Board > >>>> Subject: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Bicycle Board Members, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Heads up. What are your ideas for making West Run more bicycle > friendly? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I don't know what DOH is planning for West Run yet. I'll keep you > posted. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Frank > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>> > >>>> From: "Bill Austin" <baustin(a)moncpc.org <mailto:baustin@moncpc.org>> > >>>> > >>>> Date: January 11, 2011 4:30:44 PM EST > >>>> > >>>> To: "'Frank Gmeindl'" <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net > <mailto:frank.gmeindl@comcast.net>> > >>>> > >>>> Subject: Work on West Run > >>>> > >>>> Frank, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> DOH has a project to improve West Run. They would like to work > with you > >>>> and the Board on the proper way to accommodate cyclists. I would > appreciate > >>>> discussing the matter with you prior to the CAC Meeting Thursday. > Also, they > >>>> let me know they identified five grates along Mon Boulevard that > they will > >>>> be replacing. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Bill Austin, AICP > >>>> > >>>> Executive Director > >>>> > >>>> Morgantown Monongalia MPO > >>>> > >>>> 82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105 > >>>> > >>>> Morgantown, WVA 26505 > >>>> > >>>> 304-291-9571 > >>>> > >>>> 304-692-7225 Mobile > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Nobody can go back and make a new beginning, but anyone can start > today > >>>> and make a new ending."-Maria Robinson > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org <mailto:Bikeboard@cheat.org> > >>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org <mailto:Bikeboard@cheat.org> > >>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bikeboard mailing list > >> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org <mailto:Bikeboard@cheat.org> > >> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikeboard mailing list > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org <mailto:Bikeboard@cheat.org> > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3375 - Release Date: 01/12/11 > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikeboard mailing list > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org <mailto:Bikeboard@cheat.org> > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3386 - Release Date: 01/17/11 > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikeboard mailing list > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard

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Re: [Bikeboard] Parking meeting
by Chip Wamsley 19 Jan '11

19 Jan '11

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Chip Wamsley" <chip(a)wamsleycycles.com> Reply-To: chip(a)wamsleycycles.com Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:35:33 -0500 Frank et al, Is everyone available this Wed at 8:30 AM to meet at Jay's Daily grind to work on the survey and see if we need to add anything to Don's proposal to do lockers in three garages at a total budget cost of $15,000. Respond or propose an alternative date. Chip >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:11:10 -0500 > >Frank er al, > >Here is a site that has some info on locker rates, even though it's from 2000. It looks like they are in the $75-85/year, not counting key deposit. Some other good info on city bike parking ordinances as well. > >http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm > >Chip > >>Parking Committee Members, >> >>As we discussed at this morning's meeting, we are going to do a survey to determine who would use bike lockers, how much they would be willing to pay and where we should put them. If you have additional ideas on what we should try to learn with the survey or how we should construct the survey, please reply-all with them. >> >>Thanks to all of you that turned out in these challenging conditions! >> >>Frank >>_______________________________________________ >>Bikeboard mailing list >>Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >>http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >> > >_______________________________________________ >Bikeboard mailing list >Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >

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West Run Road
by Frank Gmeindl 19 Jan '11

19 Jan '11

Bill, Thank you for inviting the Morgantown Bicycle Board's input on the proposed West Run Road improvement. If we understand correctly, the proposed improvement involves upgrading West Run Road travel lanes to 11-feet and adding up to 2-foot wide paved shoulders. Also, the shoulders may be wider on climbing sections and inside curves and narrower on descending sections and on the outside of curves. The proposed 11-foot lane width plus 2-foot paved shoulder provides no special accommodation for bicyclists but accommodates bicyclists only as ordinary drivers of vehicles. At a minimum, West Run Road should have Share the Road signs (W11-1 sign and W16-1P placard) to alert motorists to bicyclists. Better would be shared lane markings (9C-9) and Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs (R4-11). To accommodate novice bicyclists, the travel lanes width should be 14-feet wide or the shoulders should be a minimum of 4-feet wide, preferably 5-feet. Otherwise, West Run Rd. can be expected to be limited to motor vehicles and only experienced vehicular cyclists. It is crucial that West Run improvements not force bicyclists to ride to the right of right turn lanes. The improvements should encourage bicyclists to employ best vehicular practices, especially at intersections. Bicycles should be treated as vehicles, not pedestrians. In most cases, 11-feet is not wide enough for a shared lane, i.e a lane in which a motor vehicle and bicycle can travel safely side-by-sdide. A 2-foot shoulder is simply not wide enough for bicycle operation. Normally, bicyclists require more than 3-feet of roadway space for operation. Normally, 3-feet or more is minimum safe passing distance. Normally, 8-feet is minimum travel width for motor vehicles. Sum = 14-feet. On 11-foot lanes with 2-foot paved shoulders, novice cyclists would probably try to ride on the shoulder, assuming that the shoulder would be maintained free of debris including glass, rocks, snow and ice and be free of surface defects. After a few experiences of getting passed too closely, novice cyclists would probably abandon West Run Road. Experienced cyclists, if they feel they were visible, will take the lane and prevent being passed. However, when they feel that overtaking vehicles are narrow enough, passing speeds are slow enough and they can see far enough ahead to ensure no on-coming traffic, they might move to the right and allow passing. AASHTO says 11-feet is not wide enough to share. The 1999 AASHTO Guide for the Development of Bicycle Facilities is somewhat ambivalent about shared lanes but indicates that 12-feet is a minimum. The 2009 DRAFT AASHTO Guide for the Planning, Design, and Operation of Bicycle Facilities is more definitive. It states: "Lane widths of 13 feet (4.0 m) or less require most motor vehicles to be driven at least part way into the next lane to pass a bicyclist with an adequate and comfortable clearance (usually 3 ft [0.9 m] or more depending on the speed of the passing vehicle). Lane widths of 14 feet (4.3 m) or greater enable motorists to pass bicycles without encroaching into the adjacent lane." The draft guide recognizes that a wider lane may be required on steep grades and says, "Roadways with shared lanes narrower than 14 feet (4.3 m) may still be designated for bicycles with bicycle guide signs and/or shared lane markings..." AASHTO says a 2-foot shoulder is not wide enough for safe bicycle operation. The 1999 AASHTO guide states that bicycles require a minimum of 40 inches (1.0 m) of lateral operating space. It says that paved shoulders should be at least 4-feet wide to accommodate bicycles. It suggests that 5-feet is preferred and wider may be required adjacent to high speed and high volume motor traffic. It does recognize that any shoulder is better than none at all. The West Run shoulder would have to be 4-feet or more to be useful. Most motorists will not run over a bicyclist if they can see the bicyclist and have sufficient time to react. The first priority for the DOH then, should be to ensure that bicyclists are visible in the West Run corridor. Signage will help alert motorists to bicyclist presence. DOH must ensure that sight lines are long enough and speeds are low enough to allow all motorists to see bicyclists or slow-moving vehicles or stopped vehicles, to have sufficient time to decide what to do and to take the correct action. Most motorists will pass the bicyclist if and when they can. Almost no motorists obey the law that prohibits crossing the center line in such cases. Many motorists will cross the center line even when there is on-coming traffic or when they cannot see far enough ahead to ensure that there is no on-coming traffic such as when approaching a blind curve or blind hill crest. If the cyclist determines that moving to the right would provide sufficient space for the overtaking vehicle to pass him or her safely, the cyclist should move to the right. If the bicyclist judges that he or she cannot be passed safely, he or she must control the lane. How much space is sufficient depends on many factors. Some factors include lane width; whether the cyclist thinks an overtaking vehicle can see him or her; how fast the cyclist is going; how fast the overtaking vehicle is going; whether the cyclist is climbing, descending or riding on level road; how far ahead the cyclist can see; whether any traffic is coming; whether there's a paved shoulder; shoulder width; shoulder condition; what's adjacent to the roadway. If the cyclist determines that moving to the right will not provide sufficient space for the motorist to pass safely, the cyclist should take a position in the lane that prevents the motorist from passing. Beyond improving West Run Rd., the Bicycle Board recommends that the MPO and WVDOH reconsider the West Run alternatives described in the current 2030 Transportation Plan. These include a separate bike path through the West Run valley, an extension of the Poultry Farm Road to West Run Rd. and other alternatives connecting to West Run. I look forward to the opportunity to cruise West Run with you and Perry Keller so we can visualize and discuss these ideas on site. Frank D. Gmeindl Chairman, Morgantown Municipal Bicycle Board LCI #1703 491 WilsonAvenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles

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Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run
by Jonathan Rosenbaum 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

On 1/17/2011 5:21 PM, Ryan Post wrote: > > I considered the Van Voorhis to Rail Trail option, but that's a very > long and steep hill. Plus it's a long way around and isn't useful for > getting to HSC or Engineering campuses. > I was working with a group of people off the Bicycle Board (because this is in the County) about creating a connector from the bottom of Van Voorhis into Suncrest. This would cross a few private properties, but the vast percentage is owned by the District. This would be a fairly level route. The route up through the Research Park that Chet is talking about sounds good, too. -Jonathan > This is also approaching being able to have students from UHS be able > to ride, although Bakers Ridge road is still difficult with heavy > traffic during school in/out times. > > *From:*bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org > [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] *On Behalf Of *Don Spencer > *Sent:* Monday, January 17, 2011 12:22 PM > *To:* 'Frank Gmeindl'; 'Chet Parsons' > *Cc:* 'Bicycle Board' > *Subject:* Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > > Frank -- From my perspective you and Chet are on target. A road > widening along West Run Road might suffice. It would seem that 11 feet > might suffice. I fear, however, that wide lanes without markings would > produce high rates of speed in places like West Run. If there could be > 13 foot motor vehicle lanes, then it might be safer to have bike lanes > (with intersection signage) to accommodate even lesser trained bicycle > riders. > > If the bicycle access can continue from West Run Road to the River, > part of the problems for bicycles on Van Voorhis can be avoided. To > travel from West Run Road, cyclists (and pedestrians) could have a > relatively flat trail access to and from the downtown and downtown > campuses and Star City streets via the rail trail. > > Don > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Frank Gmeindl [mailto:frank.gmeindl@comcast.net] > *Sent:* Monday, January 17, 2011 11:50 AM > *To:* Chet Parsons > *Cc:* Don Spencer; Bicycle Board > *Subject:* Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > > Thanks, Chet. I had already been there before I replied to Don. > Don's message seems to indicate that there's more detail than one > finds in the 2030 Transportation Plan to which you refer. Perhaps he > just meant that there are more options than we're considering. > > In the 2030 plan, a table of non-motorized projects, Table 30 begins > on page 111. One project there #8 is, "Include bike-ped facilities in > West Run road corridor". The descriptive text below the table says, > "This project will ensure that bicycles and pedestrians are > accommodated in the West Run Road transportation corridor and an > additional connection to the Mon River Trail is provided. As part of > the recommended roadway projects a bike trail is proposed along one > side of the road." Aside from the bike trail along one side of the > road, it doesn't say what those "facilities" might be. A map, Figure > 25 on page 98 shows West Run but adds no useful info. > > Three other projects that Don might be thinking of are #2, #3 and #4. > Project #2 is relevant because it connects the eastern terminus of > West Run Rd. near I-68 with the Decker Creek Trail through the Dug > Hill Rd. corridor. I raised that in the dialog below. The other > projects, as well as the remainder of #2 may be outside the scope of > the West Run project. The remainder of #2 goes out to Cheat Lake > along 857, #3 goes out Old Cheat Rd. and #4 connects Tyrone Rd. to the > Decker Creek Trail through Brookhaven Rd. and Dug Hill Rd. They all > involve adding a "bike lane/paved shoulder". Don are these what you > meant? > > Chet, thanks for prompting me to revisit the 2030 transportation plan. > I had forgot much of it. While looking for the pages you indicated, > I re-read the motorized plan for West Run. Page 109 contains a nice > arial view of the plan to widen West Run, add a 3rd lane from Riddle > to Van Voorhis and a description turn lanes to be added at Van Voohis, > Riddle, Stewartstown and 119. It will be interesting to compare what > DOH now has in mind with that which is currently in the 2030 plan. > > Also, I see that item 22 on page 101 is a 3-lane corridor from the > Research Park to West Run. That's a pretty big bike path:) > > I highly recommend that anyone who worked on the BB Bike Route map > study the map, Figure 25 on page 98 of section 9 of the 2030 plan, > http://www.plantogether.org/plan.html . It verifies what we did but > might give us some other ideas. > > Frank > > On Jan 17, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Chet Parsons wrote: > > I can jump in here - thanks for the idea Don. > > I think Don is referring to the nonmotorized segment of the 2030 Plan. > If you go to that location on the MPO website you can look at Chapter > Nine, the Recommended Plan (http://www.plantogether.org/plan.html). > If you go to Page 112 you'll see the nonmotorized Plan. Most of the > items referenced are footnoted with a number in a circle - these are > highway projects that have a nonmotorized component. You can look > back at Table 29 on page 101 for a listing of all the highway projects > and their associated costs. Note item 22 there. > > Table 30 shows the nonmotorized projects - of note are item 8 for West > Run Road (note this plan was done before all the stuff got developed > on West Run between Stewartstown and 119. > > Chet > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Frank Gmeindl > <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net <mailto:frank.gmeindl@comcast.net>> wrote: > > Don, > > What is the MPO bicycle route plan? Can you point me to it? I did a > cursory search of the MPO website and didn't find it. I did find a > "screening addendum" (attached) that contains a map showing a couple > options around Dug Hill Rd. Is that it? > > Frank > > On Jan 16, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Don Spencer wrote: > > Frank -- On the West Run related issues, I urge you to take a look at > the MPO bicycle route plan. There is quite a few recommendations in > that plan for establishing a "ring route" from the rail trail in > Sabraton to Easton Hill and then down West Run to the River. The > information does not address the width issues per se, but I think that > referencing the Plan in our discussions with the MPO and DOH is to our > advantage. > > Don > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org > <mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org> > [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org > <mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org>] *On Behalf Of *Gunnar Shogren > *Sent:* Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:47 PM > *To:* Frank Gmeindl > *Cc:* Bicycle Board > *Subject:* Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Frank Gmeindl > <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net <mailto:frank.gmeindl@comcast.net>> wrote: > > I think we have two concepts. One, is to modify West Run Road to > make it more bike friendly and Two is a segregated path. > > > > Modify West Run Rd. > > For many years before the District, I rode West Run Rd. several > times/week around 5 pm., always from east to west. See map at > http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3 It was fine except that occasionally, I'd > be head-on with some junior doctor zipping along in his BMW or S-2000 > and we'd both be eyeing the fence posts, mailboxes and culverts for > room to squeeze by. Improving sight-lines is imperative; widening > would be nice; shared lane markings and Bicycles May Use Full Lane > signs, or at least share the road signs would help. Moving, leveling > and realigning the intersection with 119 is also imperative. > > > > I used to ride the old bike route over White Avenue to Dug Hill Rd, > Pierpont Rd., across 857, down Old Cheat Rd. to Easton then along 119 > to West Run as shown on the map at http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3. Except > for the little stretches of 857 and 119, there wasn't much traffic but > it's quite hilly and would probably discourage novices. However, once > West Run is improved, it would be a suitable extension of the bike > route with appropriate mapping to indicate the hills and to warn of > the high traffic zones on 857 and 119. > > > > Segregated Path > > The best segregated path option would be as I think Chet is > suggesting, basically between West Run Rd. and West Run creek. Heck, > let's propose to go all the way to the Mon River trail in the long run. > > > > Coming from the District out to Easton, you can cross Easton Hill Rd. > and continue out West Run Rd. where it dead-ends at I-68. Crossing > the intersection by Easton School will be a challenge. Before I-68, > West Run Rd. used to continue up the hill to Pierpont Rd. (Who hasn't > ridden through the West Run culverts under I-68? Perhaps you missed > the BB initiation ceremony;) > > > > Don Spencer has told me that there has been some discussion of > running a trail along the west side of I-68 over to Sabraton. We > should explore this. Then, we could connect with the Decker Creek > trail and have a bicycle beltway around the City:) My concern remains > that if we put all our energy into projects like this, it will > eventually become impossible to ride your bike from the trail to any > practical destination because we were diverted from reclaiming the > streets that were ours to being with. > > > > At Easton, going up Easton Hill and across the Mileground should be > an option that could be handled by a bicycle climbing lane. If they > can crane a shopping center and housing development on the side of > that hill and add a full-width travel lane and roundabouts to the > Mileground, they can add 8 feet to Easton Hill for a bicycle climbing > lane! I still occasionally ride up Easton Hill. It's not pleasant > and if you don't take the lane, you'll get squeezed into the guard > rail. It is nearly impossible to walk up or down there though because > there is absolutely no shoulder. > > Untrue! > We've seen our buddy NickH going up it a few times. Did not seem like > it would be a pleasant experience *at* *all*. But maybe Nick can > chime in here. > > > The hundreds of people living in that valley now would be stranded > and starve to death when the gasoline runs out. > > And this would be a bad thing? > > > > > Frank > > > > On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote: > > > >> Wider road and signage. > >> I've biked on it off and on throughout the years, problem is that it > >> just doesn't lead anywhere easily, there's a big hill off it as soon > >> as you go toward town, or even go away from town. > >> Sure not many folks use it now, but perhaps they would if even to go > >> from Apt complex to complex, to play XBox or Magic: The Gathering. > >> Widen that puppy and put some signs up. Nice wide shoulder just to > >> ease the minds of less experienced cyclists as well. > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com > <mailto:chetparsons@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> I think Bill Austin already has this stuff in his head, but here's > my two > >>> cents. > >>> The section from Van Voorhis to Stewartstown can be used in > combination of > >>> on-street markings and using the floodplain owned by WVU (basically > from the > >>> dairy farm to Pineview). Once you get to Stewartstown, Ryan is right. > >>> You'll need to cut down behind Copper Beech and up between it and > the stuff > >>> up on the backside of the Mileground. Follow that route until you > get to > >>> Easton School, which will be closed soon anyway. Then tie in to > whatever > >>> new development is getting ready to go in along 857 out to I-68. > If you > >>> haven't noticed, the DOH has been clearing and widening 857 for about 4 > >>> months now and my bet is that there will be a new development with an > >>> additional access point by summer. > >>> Another option, but will probably be a more expensive easement, is > to create > >>> a couple switchbacks up the farm on the opposite side of the hill > as West > >>> Run Apartments and then run a path through the apartment complex > and out to > >>> 119/857. > >>> Chet > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ryan Post <rpostwvu(a)gmail.com > <mailto:rpostwvu@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> West Run, from Stewartstown to 119 (where all the houses are), is > twisty, > >>>> narrow and hilly. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Given those conditions, it can never be bike friendly. Road needs > widened > >>>> and/or straightened significantly. Or create a separate bike/walk > path. I > >>>> doubt many would walk however, since there's very little within ½ > mile. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> It's a no-man's land of bad planning and shouldn't have been Zoned > on w/o > >>>> correcting the road first, IMO. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org > <mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org> > [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On > >>>> Behalf Of Frank Gmeindl > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:36 AM > >>>> To: Bicycle Board > >>>> Subject: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Bicycle Board Members, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Heads up. What are your ideas for making West Run more bicycle > friendly? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I don't know what DOH is planning for West Run yet. I'll keep you > posted. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Frank > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>> > >>>> From: "Bill Austin" <baustin(a)moncpc.org <mailto:baustin@moncpc.org>> > >>>> > >>>> Date: January 11, 2011 4:30:44 PM EST > >>>> > >>>> To: "'Frank Gmeindl'" <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net > <mailto:frank.gmeindl@comcast.net>> > >>>> > >>>> Subject: Work on West Run > >>>> > >>>> Frank, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> DOH has a project to improve West Run. They would like to work > with you > >>>> and the Board on the proper way to accommodate cyclists. I would > appreciate > >>>> discussing the matter with you prior to the CAC Meeting Thursday. > Also, they > >>>> let me know they identified five grates along Mon Boulevard that > they will > >>>> be replacing. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Bill Austin, AICP > >>>> > >>>> Executive Director > >>>> > >>>> Morgantown Monongalia MPO > >>>> > >>>> 82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105 > >>>> > >>>> Morgantown, WVA 26505 > >>>> > >>>> 304-291-9571 > >>>> > >>>> 304-692-7225 Mobile > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Nobody can go back and make a new beginning, but anyone can start > today > >>>> and make a new ending."-Maria Robinson > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org <mailto:Bikeboard@cheat.org> > >>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org <mailto:Bikeboard@cheat.org> > >>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bikeboard mailing list > >> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org <mailto:Bikeboard@cheat.org> > >> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikeboard mailing list > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org <mailto:Bikeboard@cheat.org> > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3375 - Release Date: 01/12/11 > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikeboard mailing list > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org <mailto:Bikeboard@cheat.org> > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3386 - Release Date: 01/17/11 > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikeboard mailing list > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard

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Re: [Bikeboard] Parking Committee Meeting
by Chip Wamsley 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:17:26 -0500 All, Here are some points for discussion, along with some locker comparisons--I'll have copies, so no need to print. Attachments in non docx below. Chip >I suppose you're talking about the 8:30 am meeting tomorrow, Wednesday at Zen Clay. > >I plan on being there after I shovel my and my neighbor's sidewalks. > >Zen Clay's great coffee should taste especially good then! They usually have those fresh-out-of-the-oven muffins that early as well. > >Ah, what's the agenda again? > >Frank > >On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:01 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote: > >> Speak up now or forever hold your peace, >> >> On whether or not you think the meeting should go on, or enough of you >> won't be able to make it, in which case we'll postpone it. >> >> As of now, it is on, but Alice can't make it. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikeboard mailing list >> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > >_______________________________________________ >Bikeboard mailing list >Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >

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Fwd: phone book community pages
by Frank Gmeindl 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Wonderful! Thanks to Aira, Chip, gunnar and Ryan for making this happen! Frank Begin forwarded message: > From: "Chip Wamsley" <chip(a)wamsleycycles.com> > Date: January 17, 2011 7:47:11 PM EST > To: <fgmeindl(a)gmail.com> > Subject: phone book community pages > Reply-To: <chip(a)wamsleycycles.com> > > Frank, > > FYI, the new phone books are out. See attached photo. > > Chip > >

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Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run
by Frank Gmeindl 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Don, What is the MPO bicycle route plan? Can you point me to it? I did a cursory search of the MPO website and didn't find it. I did find a "screening addendum" (attached) that contains a map showing a couple options around Dug Hill Rd. Is that it? Frank On Jan 16, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Don Spencer wrote: > Frank – On the West Run related issues, I urge you to take a look at the MPO bicycle route plan. There is quite a few recommendations in that plan for establishing a “ring route” from the rail trail in Sabraton to Easton Hill and then down West Run to the River. The information does not address the width issues per se, but I think that referencing the Plan in our discussions with the MPO and DOH is to our advantage. > > Don > > From: bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of Gunnar Shogren > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:47 PM > To: Frank Gmeindl > Cc: Bicycle Board > Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Frank Gmeindl > <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > I think we have two concepts. One, is to modify West Run Road to make it more bike friendly and Two is a segregated path. > > > > Modify West Run Rd. > > For many years before the District, I rode West Run Rd. several times/week around 5 pm., always from east to west. See map at http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3 It was fine except that occasionally, I'd be head-on with some junior doctor zipping along in his BMW or S-2000 and we'd both be eyeing the fence posts, mailboxes and culverts for room to squeeze by. Improving sight-lines is imperative; widening would be nice; shared lane markings and Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs, or at least share the road signs would help. Moving, leveling and realigning the intersection with 119 is also imperative. > > > > I used to ride the old bike route over White Avenue to Dug Hill Rd, Pierpont Rd., across 857, down Old Cheat Rd. to Easton then along 119 to West Run as shown on the map at http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3. Except for the little stretches of 857 and 119, there wasn't much traffic but it's quite hilly and would probably discourage novices. However, once West Run is improved, it would be a suitable extension of the bike route with appropriate mapping to indicate the hills and to warn of the high traffic zones on 857 and 119. > > > > Segregated Path > > The best segregated path option would be as I think Chet is suggesting, basically between West Run Rd. and West Run creek. Heck, let's propose to go all the way to the Mon River trail in the long run. > > > > Coming from the District out to Easton, you can cross Easton Hill Rd. and continue out West Run Rd. where it dead-ends at I-68. Crossing the intersection by Easton School will be a challenge. Before I-68, West Run Rd. used to continue up the hill to Pierpont Rd. (Who hasn't ridden through the West Run culverts under I-68? Perhaps you missed the BB initiation ceremony;) > > > > Don Spencer has told me that there has been some discussion of running a trail along the west side of I-68 over to Sabraton. We should explore this. Then, we could connect with the Decker Creek trail and have a bicycle beltway around the City:) My concern remains that if we put all our energy into projects like this, it will eventually become impossible to ride your bike from the trail to any practical destination because we were diverted from reclaiming the streets that were ours to being with. > > > > At Easton, going up Easton Hill and across the Mileground should be an option that could be handled by a bicycle climbing lane. If they can crane a shopping center and housing development on the side of that hill and add a full-width travel lane and roundabouts to the Mileground, they can add 8 feet to Easton Hill for a bicycle climbing lane! I still occasionally ride up Easton Hill. It's not pleasant and if you don't take the lane, you'll get squeezed into the guard rail. It is nearly impossible to walk up or down there though because there is absolutely no shoulder. > > Untrue! > We've seen our buddy NickH going up it a few times. Did not seem like > it would be a pleasant experience *at* *all*. But maybe Nick can > chime in here. > > > The hundreds of people living in that valley now would be stranded and starve to death when the gasoline runs out. > > And this would be a bad thing? > > > > > Frank > > > > On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote: > > > >> Wider road and signage. > >> I've biked on it off and on throughout the years, problem is that it > >> just doesn't lead anywhere easily, there's a big hill off it as soon > >> as you go toward town, or even go away from town. > >> Sure not many folks use it now, but perhaps they would if even to go > >> from Apt complex to complex, to play XBox or Magic: The Gathering. > >> Widen that puppy and put some signs up. Nice wide shoulder just to > >> ease the minds of less experienced cyclists as well. > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> I think Bill Austin already has this stuff in his head, but here's my two > >>> cents. > >>> The section from Van Voorhis to Stewartstown can be used in combination of > >>> on-street markings and using the floodplain owned by WVU (basically from the > >>> dairy farm to Pineview). Once you get to Stewartstown, Ryan is right. > >>> You'll need to cut down behind Copper Beech and up between it and the stuff > >>> up on the backside of the Mileground. Follow that route until you get to > >>> Easton School, which will be closed soon anyway. Then tie in to whatever > >>> new development is getting ready to go in along 857 out to I-68. If you > >>> haven't noticed, the DOH has been clearing and widening 857 for about 4 > >>> months now and my bet is that there will be a new development with an > >>> additional access point by summer. > >>> Another option, but will probably be a more expensive easement, is to create > >>> a couple switchbacks up the farm on the opposite side of the hill as West > >>> Run Apartments and then run a path through the apartment complex and out to > >>> 119/857. > >>> Chet > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ryan Post <rpostwvu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> West Run, from Stewartstown to 119 (where all the houses are), is twisty, > >>>> narrow and hilly. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Given those conditions, it can never be bike friendly. Road needs widened > >>>> and/or straightened significantly. Or create a separate bike/walk path. I > >>>> doubt many would walk however, since there’s very little within ½ mile. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> It’s a no-man’s land of bad planning and shouldn’t have been Zoned on w/o > >>>> correcting the road first, IMO. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On > >>>> Behalf Of Frank Gmeindl > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:36 AM > >>>> To: Bicycle Board > >>>> Subject: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Bicycle Board Members, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Heads up. What are your ideas for making West Run more bicycle friendly? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I don't know what DOH is planning for West Run yet. I'll keep you posted. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Frank > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>> > >>>> From: "Bill Austin" <baustin(a)moncpc.org> > >>>> > >>>> Date: January 11, 2011 4:30:44 PM EST > >>>> > >>>> To: "'Frank Gmeindl'" <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> > >>>> > >>>> Subject: Work on West Run > >>>> > >>>> Frank, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> DOH has a project to improve West Run. They would like to work with you > >>>> and the Board on the proper way to accommodate cyclists. I would appreciate > >>>> discussing the matter with you prior to the CAC Meeting Thursday. Also, they > >>>> let me know they identified five grates along Mon Boulevard that they will > >>>> be replacing. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Bill Austin, AICP > >>>> > >>>> Executive Director > >>>> > >>>> Morgantown Monongalia MPO > >>>> > >>>> 82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105 > >>>> > >>>> Morgantown, WVA 26505 > >>>> > >>>> 304-291-9571 > >>>> > >>>> 304-692-7225 Mobile > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> “Nobody can go back and make a new beginning, but anyone can start today > >>>> and make a new ending.”-Maria Robinson > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bikeboard mailing list > >> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikeboard mailing list > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3375 - Release Date: 01/12/11 >

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Fwd: Fwd: Work on West Run
by Chet Parsons 16 Jan '11

16 Jan '11

Whoops - didn't hit reply all. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run To: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> I was thinking more direct connection via the research park. We tried to get them to agree to continue a road over the back of the hill down the natural gulley from the book depository area through the floodplain (cornfield) and meet up with West Run around the point where the farm entrance hits West Run. Try this link http://bit.ly/e9pmVu As far as Maple Drive, it will at a minimum be reconfigured so that it will close to through traffic. The plan I have seen thus far is for a new connection from Don Nehlen Drive to come directly across 705/Chestnut Ridge and go back over the hill for a dedicated entrance to Mon General. That is why the trailer park and other properties in that area have been purchased. Alpha Associates is the lead on this one along with Mon General. Chet On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net>wrote: > I don't know what route you're proposing. On the bike route map that I > sent on Jan. 7, Subject: Bike Route Map, you'll see that the route connects > the old poultry farm and research park area to West Run via Maple Dr., > Heritage Pt., J.D. Anderson Dr., Pineview Dr., Riddle St., Charles St., > Perry Ave., Hickory St., Winona Av., Bishop Dr. and Riddle St.. It is > really rather pleasant with one big hill. > > I understand that plans may be afoot that would wipe out Maple Dr. Does > anybody know what they are? > > On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Chip Wamsley wrote: > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com> > > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:00:21 -0500 > > > > Going across the old poultry farm by the research park is a great idea as > many of those people working there might be great end users. > > > > > > > >> Jim Rye rides Easton Hill all the time. Again NOT A FUN LOOKING RIDE. > >> > >> I still don't see why we can't work with WVU to get access across the > old > >> poultry farm and come down on the back side of the research park to West > >> Run. Connect right into Suncrest Town Center and the couple of housing > >> complexes as well as Stewart St etc downtown. I guess maybe this hasn't > >> been discussed since before Hugh came on board. Maybe worth revisiting > - > >> last time I talked it up it was shot down by Russ Lorince with the > research > >> corporation. > >> > >> Chet > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Gunnar Shogren <gshogren(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Frank Gmeindl > >>> <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >>>> I think we have two concepts. One, is to modify West Run Road to make > it > >>> more bike friendly and Two is a segregated path. > >>>> > >>>> Modify West Run Rd. > >>>> For many years before the District, I rode West Run Rd. several > >>> times/week around 5 pm., always from east to west. See map at > >>> http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3 It was fine except that occasionally, I'd > be > >>> head-on with some junior doctor zipping along in his BMW or S-2000 and > we'd > >>> both be eyeing the fence posts, mailboxes and culverts for room to > squeeze > >>> by. Improving sight-lines is imperative; widening would be nice; > shared > >>> lane markings and Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs, or at least share > the > >>> road signs would help. Moving, leveling and realigning the > intersection > >>> with 119 is also imperative. > >>>> > >>>> I used to ride the old bike route over White Avenue to Dug Hill Rd, > >>> Pierpont Rd., across 857, down Old Cheat Rd. to Easton then along 119 > to > >>> West Run as shown on the map at http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3. Except > for > >>> the little stretches of 857 and 119, there wasn't much traffic but it's > >>> quite hilly and would probably discourage novices. However, once West > Run > >>> is improved, it would be a suitable extension of the bike route with > >>> appropriate mapping to indicate the hills and to warn of the high > traffic > >>> zones on 857 and 119. > >>>> > >>>> Segregated Path > >>>> The best segregated path option would be as I think Chet is > suggesting, > >>> basically between West Run Rd. and West Run creek. Heck, let's propose > to > >>> go all the way to the Mon River trail in the long run. > >>>> > >>>> Coming from the District out to Easton, you can cross Easton Hill Rd. > and > >>> continue out West Run Rd. where it dead-ends at I-68. Crossing the > >>> intersection by Easton School will be a challenge. Before I-68, West > Run > >>> Rd. used to continue up the hill to Pierpont Rd. (Who hasn't ridden > through > >>> the West Run culverts under I-68? Perhaps you missed the BB initiation > >>> ceremony;) > >>>> > >>>> Don Spencer has told me that there has been some discussion of running > a > >>> trail along the west side of I-68 over to Sabraton. We should explore > this. > >>> Then, we could connect with the Decker Creek trail and have a bicycle > >>> beltway around the City:) My concern remains that if we put all our > energy > >>> into projects like this, it will eventually become impossible to ride > your > >>> bike from the trail to any practical destination because we were > diverted > >>> from reclaiming the streets that were ours to being with. > >>>> > >>>> At Easton, going up Easton Hill and across the Mileground should be an > >>> option that could be handled by a bicycle climbing lane. If they can > crane > >>> a shopping center and housing development on the side of that hill and > add a > >>> full-width travel lane and roundabouts to the Mileground, they can add > 8 > >>> feet to Easton Hill for a bicycle climbing lane! I still occasionally > ride > >>> up Easton Hill. It's not pleasant and if you don't take the lane, > you'll > >>> get squeezed into the guard rail. It is nearly impossible to walk up > or > >>> down there though because there is absolutely no shoulder. > >>> > >>> Untrue! > >>> We've seen our buddy NickH going up it a few times. Did not seem like > >>> it would be a pleasant experience *at* *all*. But maybe Nick can > >>> chime in here. > >>> > >>>> The hundreds of people living in that valley now would be stranded and > >>> starve to death when the gasoline runs out. > >>> > >>> And this would be a bad thing? > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Frank > >>>> > >>>> On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Wider road and signage. > >>>>> I've biked on it off and on throughout the years, problem is that it > >>>>> just doesn't lead anywhere easily, there's a big hill off it as soon > >>>>> as you go toward town, or even go away from town. > >>>>> Sure not many folks use it now, but perhaps they would if even to go > >>>>> from Apt complex to complex, to play XBox or Magic: The Gathering. > >>>>> Widen that puppy and put some signs up. Nice wide shoulder just to > >>>>> ease the minds of less experienced cyclists as well. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com > > > >>> wrote: > >>>>>> I think Bill Austin already has this stuff in his head, but here's > my > >>> two > >>>>>> cents. > >>>>>> The section from Van Voorhis to Stewartstown can be used in > combination > >>> of > >>>>>> on-street markings and using the floodplain owned by WVU (basically > >>> from the > >>>>>> dairy farm to Pineview). Once you get to Stewartstown, Ryan is > right. > >>>>>> You'll need to cut down behind Copper Beech and up between it and > the > >>> stuff > >>>>>> up on the backside of the Mileground. Follow that route until you > get > >>> to > >>>>>> Easton School, which will be closed soon anyway. Then tie in to > >>> whatever > >>>>>> new development is getting ready to go in along 857 out to I-68. If > >>> you > >>>>>> haven't noticed, the DOH has been clearing and widening 857 for > about 4 > >>>>>> months now and my bet is that there will be a new development with > an > >>>>>> additional access point by summer. > >>>>>> Another option, but will probably be a more expensive easement, is > to > >>> create > >>>>>> a couple switchbacks up the farm on the opposite side of the hill as > >>> West > >>>>>> Run Apartments and then run a path through the apartment complex and > >>> out to > >>>>>> 119/857. > >>>>>> Chet > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ryan Post <rpostwvu(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> West Run, from Stewartstown to 119 (where all the houses are), is > >>> twisty, > >>>>>>> narrow and hilly. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Given those conditions, it can never be bike friendly. Road needs > >>> widened > >>>>>>> and/or straightened significantly. Or create a separate bike/walk > >>> path. I > >>>>>>> doubt many would walk however, since there’s very little within ½ > >>> mile. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It’s a no-man’s land of bad planning and shouldn’t have been Zoned > on > >>> w/o > >>>>>>> correcting the road first, IMO. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org [mailto: > bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org] > >>> On > >>>>>>> Behalf Of Frank Gmeindl > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:36 AM > >>>>>>> To: Bicycle Board > >>>>>>> Subject: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bicycle Board Members, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Heads up. What are your ideas for making West Run more bicycle > >>> friendly? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I don't know what DOH is planning for West Run yet. I'll keep you > >>> posted. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Frank > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: "Bill Austin" <baustin(a)moncpc.org> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Date: January 11, 2011 4:30:44 PM EST > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To: "'Frank Gmeindl'" <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Subject: Work on West Run > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Frank, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> DOH has a project to improve West Run. They would like to work with > >>> you > >>>>>>> and the Board on the proper way to accommodate cyclists. I would > >>> appreciate > >>>>>>> discussing the matter with you prior to the CAC Meeting Thursday. > >>> Also, they > >>>>>>> let me know they identified five grates along Mon Boulevard that > they > >>> will > >>>>>>> be replacing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bill Austin, AICP > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Executive Director > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Morgantown Monongalia MPO > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Morgantown, WVA 26505 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 304-291-9571 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 304-692-7225 Mobile > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> “Nobody can go back and make a new beginning, but anyone can start > >>> today > >>>>>>> and make a new ending.”-Maria Robinson > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>>>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >>>>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >>>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikeboard mailing list > > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >

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Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run
by Frank Gmeindl 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

I don't know what route you're proposing. On the bike route map that I sent on Jan. 7, Subject: Bike Route Map, you'll see that the route connects the old poultry farm and research park area to West Run via Maple Dr., Heritage Pt., J.D. Anderson Dr., Pineview Dr., Riddle St., Charles St., Perry Ave., Hickory St., Winona Av., Bishop Dr. and Riddle St.. It is really rather pleasant with one big hill. I understand that plans may be afoot that would wipe out Maple Dr. Does anybody know what they are? On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Chip Wamsley wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:00:21 -0500 > > Going across the old poultry farm by the research park is a great idea as many of those people working there might be great end users. > > > >> Jim Rye rides Easton Hill all the time. Again NOT A FUN LOOKING RIDE. >> >> I still don't see why we can't work with WVU to get access across the old >> poultry farm and come down on the back side of the research park to West >> Run. Connect right into Suncrest Town Center and the couple of housing >> complexes as well as Stewart St etc downtown. I guess maybe this hasn't >> been discussed since before Hugh came on board. Maybe worth revisiting - >> last time I talked it up it was shot down by Russ Lorince with the research >> corporation. >> >> Chet >> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Gunnar Shogren <gshogren(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Frank Gmeindl >>> <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>>> I think we have two concepts. One, is to modify West Run Road to make it >>> more bike friendly and Two is a segregated path. >>>> >>>> Modify West Run Rd. >>>> For many years before the District, I rode West Run Rd. several >>> times/week around 5 pm., always from east to west. See map at >>> http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3 It was fine except that occasionally, I'd be >>> head-on with some junior doctor zipping along in his BMW or S-2000 and we'd >>> both be eyeing the fence posts, mailboxes and culverts for room to squeeze >>> by. Improving sight-lines is imperative; widening would be nice; shared >>> lane markings and Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs, or at least share the >>> road signs would help. Moving, leveling and realigning the intersection >>> with 119 is also imperative. >>>> >>>> I used to ride the old bike route over White Avenue to Dug Hill Rd, >>> Pierpont Rd., across 857, down Old Cheat Rd. to Easton then along 119 to >>> West Run as shown on the map at http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3. Except for >>> the little stretches of 857 and 119, there wasn't much traffic but it's >>> quite hilly and would probably discourage novices. However, once West Run >>> is improved, it would be a suitable extension of the bike route with >>> appropriate mapping to indicate the hills and to warn of the high traffic >>> zones on 857 and 119. >>>> >>>> Segregated Path >>>> The best segregated path option would be as I think Chet is suggesting, >>> basically between West Run Rd. and West Run creek. Heck, let's propose to >>> go all the way to the Mon River trail in the long run. >>>> >>>> Coming from the District out to Easton, you can cross Easton Hill Rd. and >>> continue out West Run Rd. where it dead-ends at I-68. Crossing the >>> intersection by Easton School will be a challenge. Before I-68, West Run >>> Rd. used to continue up the hill to Pierpont Rd. (Who hasn't ridden through >>> the West Run culverts under I-68? Perhaps you missed the BB initiation >>> ceremony;) >>>> >>>> Don Spencer has told me that there has been some discussion of running a >>> trail along the west side of I-68 over to Sabraton. We should explore this. >>> Then, we could connect with the Decker Creek trail and have a bicycle >>> beltway around the City:) My concern remains that if we put all our energy >>> into projects like this, it will eventually become impossible to ride your >>> bike from the trail to any practical destination because we were diverted >>> from reclaiming the streets that were ours to being with. >>>> >>>> At Easton, going up Easton Hill and across the Mileground should be an >>> option that could be handled by a bicycle climbing lane. If they can crane >>> a shopping center and housing development on the side of that hill and add a >>> full-width travel lane and roundabouts to the Mileground, they can add 8 >>> feet to Easton Hill for a bicycle climbing lane! I still occasionally ride >>> up Easton Hill. It's not pleasant and if you don't take the lane, you'll >>> get squeezed into the guard rail. It is nearly impossible to walk up or >>> down there though because there is absolutely no shoulder. >>> >>> Untrue! >>> We've seen our buddy NickH going up it a few times. Did not seem like >>> it would be a pleasant experience *at* *all*. But maybe Nick can >>> chime in here. >>> >>>> The hundreds of people living in that valley now would be stranded and >>> starve to death when the gasoline runs out. >>> >>> And this would be a bad thing? >>> >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wider road and signage. >>>>> I've biked on it off and on throughout the years, problem is that it >>>>> just doesn't lead anywhere easily, there's a big hill off it as soon >>>>> as you go toward town, or even go away from town. >>>>> Sure not many folks use it now, but perhaps they would if even to go >>>>> from Apt complex to complex, to play XBox or Magic: The Gathering. >>>>> Widen that puppy and put some signs up. Nice wide shoulder just to >>>>> ease the minds of less experienced cyclists as well. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>> I think Bill Austin already has this stuff in his head, but here's my >>> two >>>>>> cents. >>>>>> The section from Van Voorhis to Stewartstown can be used in combination >>> of >>>>>> on-street markings and using the floodplain owned by WVU (basically >>> from the >>>>>> dairy farm to Pineview). Once you get to Stewartstown, Ryan is right. >>>>>> You'll need to cut down behind Copper Beech and up between it and the >>> stuff >>>>>> up on the backside of the Mileground. Follow that route until you get >>> to >>>>>> Easton School, which will be closed soon anyway. Then tie in to >>> whatever >>>>>> new development is getting ready to go in along 857 out to I-68. If >>> you >>>>>> haven't noticed, the DOH has been clearing and widening 857 for about 4 >>>>>> months now and my bet is that there will be a new development with an >>>>>> additional access point by summer. >>>>>> Another option, but will probably be a more expensive easement, is to >>> create >>>>>> a couple switchbacks up the farm on the opposite side of the hill as >>> West >>>>>> Run Apartments and then run a path through the apartment complex and >>> out to >>>>>> 119/857. >>>>>> Chet >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ryan Post <rpostwvu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> West Run, from Stewartstown to 119 (where all the houses are), is >>> twisty, >>>>>>> narrow and hilly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given those conditions, it can never be bike friendly. Road needs >>> widened >>>>>>> and/or straightened significantly. Or create a separate bike/walk >>> path. I >>>>>>> doubt many would walk however, since there’s very little within ½ >>> mile. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It’s a no-man’s land of bad planning and shouldn’t have been Zoned on >>> w/o >>>>>>> correcting the road first, IMO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] >>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Frank Gmeindl >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:36 AM >>>>>>> To: Bicycle Board >>>>>>> Subject: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bicycle Board Members, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Heads up. What are your ideas for making West Run more bicycle >>> friendly? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know what DOH is planning for West Run yet. I'll keep you >>> posted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Bill Austin" <baustin(a)moncpc.org> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: January 11, 2011 4:30:44 PM EST >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: "'Frank Gmeindl'" <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Work on West Run >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Frank, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DOH has a project to improve West Run. They would like to work with >>> you >>>>>>> and the Board on the proper way to accommodate cyclists. I would >>> appreciate >>>>>>> discussing the matter with you prior to the CAC Meeting Thursday. >>> Also, they >>>>>>> let me know they identified five grates along Mon Boulevard that they >>> will >>>>>>> be replacing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill Austin, AICP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Executive Director >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Morgantown Monongalia MPO >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Morgantown, WVA 26505 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 304-291-9571 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 304-692-7225 Mobile >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> “Nobody can go back and make a new beginning, but anyone can start >>> today >>>>>>> and make a new ending.”-Maria Robinson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Bikeboard mailing list >>>>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >>>>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Bikeboard mailing list >>>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >>>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Bikeboard mailing list >>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikeboard mailing list > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard

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Bicycling Education Grant Proposal
by Frank Gmeindl 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

Jeff, Please find attached, the Bicycle Board's proposal for the follow-on Morgantown Effective Bicycling Education Program grant. The attached folder includes the proposal, a report of accomplishments over the first year of the current grant and a detailed cost estimate worksheet for the proposed follow-on. We provide the detailed cost estimate worksheet for your information. The cost portion of the proposal contains a summary cost for each of the proposed 14 tasks. We did not include the detailed cost estimate in the proposal because it may contain more detail than the WVDOT wants. Please let me know if this satisfies your needs for submission to the WVDOT. Frank D. Gmeindl Chairman, Morgantown Municipal Bicycle Board LCI #1703 491 WilsonAvenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles

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